Thursday, September 2, 2021

Head Deep in Sunflowers, Knee Deep in Lambs


Market List; 

Tomatillos, Lemon Cucumbers, 
Crystal Apple Cucumbers 
Slicing Tomatoes, Mixed Cherry Tomatoes, 
Yard Long Beans, Kentucky Wonder Pole Beans, Buckets and buckets of Sunflower Bouquets and Foragers Salad Mix
Sam's Famous Salsa and Salty Dill Pickles 

 
Boy howdy, the girls in the field have been throwing out some big lambs. This hefty boy was born just the day before this pic to Sunny- well lets just say that I'm surprised that he didn't walk out. What a chunk!

 If you look behind them, you'll see his father, the reason why; our registered St. Croix Ram, Reggie but I call him The
 Big Cheese- Reggiano that is. Here is         another picture of him, believe me, he was bigger, He's been on a diet. 



We will have Smoked Tomatillo Salsa the week of September 4th. Sorry it's not sooner Folks but I can either cook or I can Farm but sometimes not both, We have a Wwoofer this whole this week so we worked on Farm projects, most specifically getting the rest of the tomatillos in hand and finishing an Asparagus bed that we started early this Spring. 





So the tomato patch is looking great,



but there are a lot that look like this; 




It's from the dratted cucumber beetle. They cause distortion in all kinds of vegetables. You might recognize it from those funky looking cucumbers where one end is very small and the other is large. Cucumber beetles are the worst for spreading disease and destroying crops. They also eat holes in your green beans and chew up your sunflower petals. We try and stay on top of them but nothing really works except the stronger pesticides like Pyrethrum. It's organic but it's hell on bees so we tend to stay away from it. Mostly it's hand picking and killing them. We could spray the Pyrethrum at night but when they are the worst is in the Fall. Many Fall mornings after a previous hot day, we wake up to a heavy dew and this would liquidize the Pyrethrum again. Bees love the cucumber blossoms which are entwined with another of their favorites the tomatillo flowers, It's just not worth the risk to me. I'll just keep squishing them and planting extra. They still taste amazing though, we never refrigerate our tomatoes. It does make a difference in the flavor. There is a flavor component that shuts down at around 55 degrees that is not recovered when they are back at room temp. Our tomatoes are stored at 70 degrees. 

So we made it through another desperately hot week and there is another hot Market forecasted.  
We'll see you there, with yummy food and refreshing drinks. . 

God's blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN

Sam and Billy

Monday, August 16, 2021

Sunflower Time


 
Harvest and Feathers
Market List - Grass Fed Lamb, Lemon Cucumbers, Tomatillos, Yard Long Asparagus Beans, Kentucky Wonder Pole Beans, Forager Salad Mix, Mixed Cherry Tomatoes, Heirloom Slicing Tomatoes and 
LOTS and LOTS of SUNFLOWER bouquets!
 Sam's Famous Salsa and Salty Dill Pickles too.

Wow what a busy, busy week. 
Weed, weed weeding, one of the ewes got sick and 
we finished another side of the barn. 
Three sides done, only one to go. The tomatoes are looking great, finally. 

Last week I was on the Earthworms Podcast on KDHX. If you want to listen to it, here is the link;
 There's quite a bit of info about the Farm on it. Jean Ponzi does a great interview. 

So thankfully we are getting some cooler weather that brought in some welcome rain. I'm hoping that this brings the Indigo Milky mushrooms in with it. It's  has been so hot that the moisture needed for good fungi production. 



We'll see you Saturday for that cooler Market. Only 85 degrees, what a change right? See you there, 

God's Blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Billy



Thursday, June 24, 2021

It's Like Summer, Baby

 

Market List - Grass Fed Lamb, Forager Salad Mix, Garlic Scapes, Blood Sorrel, Kalettes and Spicy Greens Bunches. Pasture raised Chicken and Slow Food Duck eggs. We'll have some Pie(sour)Cherries, but not as many as last year. There will be a few of each of the tomato plant varieties. It is getting pretty late in the season but just in case there are those still needing them. Eggplants, Tomatillos, Cilantro, Borage and Basil plants too. 
More Ducklings hatched this week. We've been swimming almost everyday and still planting by the moon. Earlier this week, we planted more potatoes and it changed, we started on tomatoes again. 
Here is one of the tomatoes that we planted a few weeks ago.







Lots of Cherry tomatoes and Cucumbers coming on in the new Greenhouse. They already have runners too.
























Hot, Hot this whole next week. Good for the vegetables we all have been waiting for, swimming and float trips. It all goes too quickly but we'll see you Saturday at the Market. We'll have lots of Lemonade. Come and see us in our soon -not to be new anymore spot. 

God's Blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Bill

And don't forget about the Scapes! Only here for a short time each year. 


Stepping Up


Market List; Bunched Spicy Greens, Purslane, Pie Cherries, Garlic Scapes, Free Range Chicken Eggs and Duck Eggs, maybe a little Foragers Salad Mix. it's pretty hot. 

We get so many requests for our Lemon Cucumbers but after growing on the same ground organically for so many years, it's a tough battle to beat the cucumber beetles and stink bugs. So this year as Bill has been home more, traveling less and we have a little more wherewithal, we invested in some Insect barrier for them. This is the partial row, with a walk way through, the other side is about twice as long as this. About 100 ft. total. This row represents our second cucumber planting. The first being of course, in the new greenhouse.  

Below is a sample of what it looks like under the cloth. The idea being to keep the cucumber beetle from finding the plants before they need to be pollinated. And just a point, almost every other plant that can be seen in both picture are TOMATILLOS. 

We do have some baby cucumbers in the Greenhouse. Hopefully by next weekend. 


Also, as we are planting by the Moon, today was supposed to be a good day to PLANT cucumbers, so while Mom was hilling up the ones under the cloth, I planted another, probably 75 ft. row. The last of the tomatoes will go into the ground this Monday. We had 2 ripe cherry tomatoes today, and all the vines look fab! As long as the blossoms don't drop in this heat, we'll be fine. So HOT. We're getting up at 5 to harvest the greens. Yes, I am frequently up by then but not by choice. 
The heat affects so many things: egg production has dropped from 45-60 eggs a day to tonight's 30. For some reason, it makes the hens broody. You'd think that the last thing on their minds would be sitting in a hot nest inside the barn but more and more are wanting to sit every day and 5 new ducks nests. I would like to move that trailer eventually. 

I'm hoping that everyone is finding us who wants to. Our new location is actually more accessible but we see only a few of our regulars each week, so in many ways, it's like starting over at a whole new market. It may be hot this Saturday(it will be) and we may be at the tail end of one sort of crop and the beginning of another but we will be there. I hope to see you soon. 

God's blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Billy


Thursday, June 3, 2021


Market List: 
GRASS FED LAMB, Garlic Scapes, Purple Podded Snow Peas, Leaf Lettuce , Forager Salad Mix,
 
Blood Sorrel and Spicy Greens Bunches 
 Free Range Non GMO Chicken Eggs and Slow Food Cayuga Duck Eggs

Tomato plants available for 2 more weeks

   SunSugar, Violet Jasper, Sweet 100, Chocolate Cherry, 
Black from Tula, Purple Carbon, PAUL ROBESON, Black Seaman, Norman Meiners, Blue Beauty, Pink Girl, Mortgage Lifter, Cherokee Green, Sweet Carneros, Green Zebra, Japanese Black, Better Boy, Lemon Boy, Early Girl, Tommy Toe, Pork Chop, Azoychka Russian, Caspian Pink -which has the flavor of Brandywine but way more productive, Bradley-one of the original Arkansas tomatoes, Amish Paste, Black Plum, Rutgers, Yellow Pear and Chef's Choice.
 I'm also bringing Cardoon, 2 Eggplant, Basil, Cilantro and Borage




Lots of ducklings hatching out since we last talked. Above is the duck that was under the plow. She hatched 9 babies. The Muscovy hatched 2 and another showed up with just one. We have 4 more nests going at least. 
Below is a pic of the plants in the new greenhouse. We already have tomatoes on the vine, mostly Cherries but still impressive, Poblano Peppers too. 


Saturday will be warm, thankfully. Don't forget, we're in a new spot. 
Cattycornered from the Food Trucks, at the North edge of the Circle.
 Please if you have any egg cartons, we sure could use them. See you soon. 

God's Blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Billy


Tuesday, June 1, 2021

Planting by the Moon

 Market List; 
GRASS FED LAMB, Garlic Scapes, Leeks, Spring Onions, Purple Podded Snow Peas, Forager Salad Mix, Blood Sorrel, Free Range Non GMO Chicken Eggs and Slow Food Cayuga Duck Eggs
                    Tomato plants to choose from; SunSugar, Violet Jasper, Sweet 100, Chocolate Cherry, 
Black from Tula, Purple Carbon, PAUL ROBESON, Black Seaman, Norman Meiners, Blue Beauty, Pink Girl, Mortgage Lifter, Cherokee Green, Sweet Carneros, Green Zebra, Japanese Black, Better Boy, Lemon Boy, Early Girl, Tommy Toe, Pork Chop, Azoychka Russian, Caspian Pink -which has the flavor of Brandywine but way more productive, Bradley-one of the original Arkansas tomatoes, Amish Paste, Black Plum, Rutgers, Yellow Pear and Chef's Choice. I'm also bringing Cardoon, 2 Eggplant, Basil, Cilantro and Borage

This year we are trying to pay more attention to planting by the moon signs so this week when it was dry enough to make the beds in the garden we were down to one day left to plant above ground crops before the moon changed. Tuesday we planted 285 tomatoes, Kentucky Wonder Pole Beans, 3 kinds of peppers, a 200 ft. row of  Lemon, Crystal Apple and Salt and Pepper Cucumbers, Sunflowers and Zinnias, It was a profitable day. Today we put up tomato fences and Monday we will plant potatoes again. 
The temperature is really going to drop tomorrow and Saturday is going to be kinda chilly. I hope that everyone is finding our new spot. We are cattycornered from the food trucks on the corner of North and the Circle. It's a good spot.  We'll see you there. 

God's Blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN

Sam and Billy 

Thursday, May 27, 2021

Still in a New Space and Ducks Everywhere

 Market List; Leeks, Spring Onions, Kale, Forager Salad Mix, Kalettes, Leeks and French Sorrel. 
Chicken Eggs and Slow Food Cayuga Duck Eggs. I have some Chickens but they must be pre-ordered. 

Still plenty of Tomato plants to choose from; SunSugar, Violet Jasper, Sweet 100, Chocolate Cherry, 
Black from Tula, Purple Carbon, PAUL ROBESON, Black Seaman, Norman Meiners, Blue Beauty, Pink Girl, Mortgage Lifter, Cherokee Green, Sweet Carneros, Green Zebra, Japanese Black, Better Boy, Lemon Boy, Early Girl, Tommy Toe, Pork Chop, Azoychka Russian, Caspian Pink -which has the flavor of Brandywine but way more productive, Bradley-one of the original Arkansas tomatoes, Amish Paste, Black Plum, Rutgers, Yellow Pear and Chef's Choice. I'm also bringing Cardoon, 2 Eggplant, Basil, Cilantro and Borage.

Last week I mentioned that we have ducks on nests everywhere. Here are some examples of where they are sitting; 

These 2 are sharing a nest on the gangplank that runs between the front and the back of the barn. Everyday, they steal the eggs from each other, back and forth, over and over. Of course, this is not good for the eggs. 



This one's nest is IN FRONT of the trailer tire. So if we were to hook up and take off, she would of course be toast. There's another one UNDER the trailer. 



 



This Cayuga hen is under the plow. 

There's also another one in a woodpile so Still, I have managed to collect several dozen this week. 

More tomatoes were planted this week and I thought that we would have Purple Podded Snow Peas but there's not quite enough to bring yet. The first round of Yard Long Beans are up and there are blooms on the SunSugar tomatoes. (Yes, that's how you spell it.) If the rain holds off until Tuesday as projected, we should be able to start planting in the field instead of wherever we can find a spot for something. 

And speaking of planting, don't forget to ask the vendors that you are buying from; "Did you grow this?" Not everyone who is selling produce is growing it themselves, several vendors are buying their produce from the Auctions and those who are selling salsa at the Market, year round with no let up or shortage are not growing their own produce for their product. Just something to think about. 

I hope that everyone who wanted to found us last Saturday. Just some more tips on how to do this; we are cattycornered from the food trucks on the corner of North and the Circle. It's a good spot, As Kakoa Brian "said his his video last week; it's Prime Real Estate", but it did feel very strange. This week's Market is supposed to be 85 degrees. FINALLY ! We'll see how the new spot is in Full sun. We'll see you there. 

God's blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Billy















Thursday, May 13, 2021

Pay Attention-We're Moving!


 Market List: Spring Onions, Forager Salad Mix, Kale and Spinach, French Sorrel, Free Range Non GMO Chicken Eggs and Duck Eggs

I should have taken a picture of the Square where we have Marketed for 15 years because they were supposed to have started tearing it out during this week. Katherine the market manager came and told us last Saturday. I love Katherine but she only shows up(mainly because she's so busy) when something is wrong or has to change. Which of course feels the same. So the entire market will be on the other side of the Pavilion now-that is if there is a Pavilion left. I'm hoping they are leaving that since it is still on the map and it has regular bathrooms. 

While I'm waxing nostalgic about my old space, our new one will be at the back of the same circle that Biver, Three Springs, and Ozark Forest Mushrooms are located. They are on the front of the circle and we are on the back where the lane intersects on the way to Yoder. We are on one end of that circle section and Kitchen Kulture will be on the other. Most of the Farmers from the Square will be in this line too. In a way it will make the Market easier for the customers to navigate and we will still be keeping our vehicles which helps with parking. It will be nice to be by Farmers that we have missed from the division but - oh how hard is change. 

We have so many ducks on nests right now, at least 6 that I know about. I'm really having to keep on top of them to get any eggs at all. Everyone wants a nest. That's why we've had less duck eggs lately. We planted 2 varieties of Potatoes this week, Peter Wilcox and Austrian Crescent. We got them in just as the moon changed. 1000 LBS of Rock Phosphate has been scattered on our tomato field. Both of these things were made possible by Known and Grown volunteers. Ask your Farmers if they are Known and Grown. Biver Farms, 3 Rivers and 3 Springs are, and Bee Simple too. 

So we'll see you Saturday. My niece Maysun Elizabeth Scout will be helping out for a couple of months. This will be her first weekend. 

God's Blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Billy 


Friday, May 7, 2021

Moving into the Season


 Market List: Spring Onions, Kalettes, Forager Salad Mix, Spinach and Kale Mix, Bunched Spicy Greens, Pecans and Free Range Chicken Eggs and Slow Food Cayuga Duck Eggs. We have a couple of Whole Chickens but they mist be ordered ahead of time. 
Tomato plant varieties this week. SunSugar, Violet Jasper, Sweet 100, Chocolate Cherry, 
Black from Tula,, Purple Carbon, Pink Girl, Mortgage Lifter, Cherokee Green, Sweet Carneros, Green Zebra, Japanese Black, Better Boy, Lemon Boy, Early Girl, Tommy Toe, Pork Chop, Azoychka Russian, Caspian Pink -which has the flavor of Brandywine but way more productive, Bradley-one of the original Arkansas tomatoes, Amish Paste and Chef's Choice. 

Well we're at that time of year again, all the planting spaces are filled that don't need to be turned over. It's still too wet to work the ground but we're still getting a lot done. The sheep are on new pasture and I actually got to jump in the lake. Saturday morning while getting ready to go to market I heard the Whippoorwill. It's official even though the forecast says 56 and rain again for Saturday. 

We'll see you Saturday! 

God's blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Billy

Thursday, May 6, 2021

Photo Courtesy of Kim Carr Photography
Market List; Spring Onions, Egyptian Walking Onions, 
Forager Salad Mix, Cooking Kale and Spinach, French Sorrel,
Free Range Chicken Eggs and Slow Food Cayuga Duck Eggs.
I have a couple of whole chickens. 
Even more additions to the tomato plant varieties this week. SunSugar, Violet Jasper, Sweet 100, Chocolate Cherry, 
Black from Tula,, Purple Carbon, Pink Girl, Mortgage Lifter, Cherokee Green, Sweet Carneros, Green Zebra, Japanese Black, Better Boy, Lemon Boy, Early Girl, Tommy Toe, Pork Chop, Azoychka Russian, Caspian Pink -which has the flavor of Brandywine but way more productive, Bradley-one of the original Arkansas tomatoes, Amish Paste and Chef's Choice. The Pantano Romanesco are still coming- I had trouble getting seed but they will be ready in plenty of time. 
In the Collectors Corner; PAUL ROBESON, Black Seaman, Norman Meiners and Blue Beauty. 


We had a heck of a week here, several great volunteers, Two from Known and Grown St. Louis, 1 of which reframed a door on Greenhouse #1, two from Church of Latter Day Saints and my trusty local Wwoofer Lesley who comes most weeks. Lots of Redbor Kale planted, Flowers for bouquet fillers, tomatoes in and around the Greenhouse and High tunnel and amazingly the carrots that were planted weeks ago, finally made an appearance. The cucumbers are filling out and the Poblanos have blooms on them. I'm pretty sure that all the fruit survived the freeze last week. Whoo Hoo!

So FINALLY a dry Market up ahead! 81 Degrees this Saturday. I haven't heard the Whippoorwill yet but pretty sure that we are on an uphill spiral. I think we'll both see you on Saturday. 

God's Blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Billy



Wednesday, April 28, 2021

Another Rainy Weekend

 


Kim Carr Photography credit
Market List;Garlic Ramps, Forager Salad Mix, Leeks, Spring Onions, Kalettes, Kale, Missouri Pecans, Chicken Eggs and Slow Food Cayuga Duck Eggs. We have 2 whole Chickens. 

We have even more tomato plants varieties this week. SunSugar, Violet Jasper, Sweet 100, Black from Tula, PAUL ROBESON, Purple Carbon, Pink Girl, Mortgage Lifter, Cherokee Green, Sweet Carneros, Green Zebra,  Japanese Black, Better Boy, Lemon Boy, Early Girl, Tommy Toe,  Pork Chop, Azoychka Russian, Bradley, Black Seaman, Norman Meiners and a couple more, I'm sure. 

Kim Carr Photography
Sunflower Savannah Sheep

Wow, it was SOME week! I think that we managed to save the fruit, we got everything covered except 2 Cherry Trees and a Quince but the Quince still looked pretty good. I didn't get back to check on those cherries as they are stupidly on the other side of the Farm. All of the trees were in bloom before that crazy snow storm. We had about 4 inches total. 

So it looks like another rainy Saturday at the Market. We're looking at almost half inch of rain. So we won't be bringing Lemonade again but I'll still be there. Hope you will be too. 



God's Blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Billy


Thursday, April 22, 2021

Almost Tomato Time


 Market List; Garlic Ramps, Bunched Kale, Egyptian Walking Onions, Leeks, Forager Salad Mix, Slow Food Free Range Cayuga Duck Eggs and Chicken Eggs, Whole Chickens and we have a Duck in the freezer too if anyone is interested. 
We still have Missouri Pecans due to the craziness of the season, however we are pretty much out of lamb. Bringing new Tomato varieties for planting this week as well as Eggplant and some other stuff. 
So we have cucumbers coming up in the new greenhouse already. It's not super big but it is pretty solar efficient. 
Here's another new crop that we are growing. We've been keeping it under our hat for awhile but I think that we have a good start growing. 

This is Crosnes, pronounced crone. Its a tuber in the Stachys family. Related to Lambs ear. We are the only one growing this. We got the tubers last year from France and started them last year. They overwintered and have already gotten this much growth on them. I'm really excited about this. 

So we'll be in our regular spot on Saturday. We will not be bringing Lemonade as the temps will still be below 60. Come and see us for things that you can't get anywhere else. 

God's blessings on you and yours, 


TTFN, 

Sam and Billy- still healing 


Thursday, April 8, 2021

 


Market List~ 
Non GMO Chicken or Cayuga Duck eggs, Spring OnionsSalad Mix, Kale bunches, Leeks, Pecans, Jelly, Granola, Grass Fed Lamb, Whole Chickens and various Tomato, Vegetable and Herb plants. 

Well, Market season is upon us again. As unready as we are, it's a good thing because we are loaded down with eggs. The chickens are laying like crazy and the ground is scattered with Cayuga duck eggs. Speaking of the Cayuga ducks, Jean Ponzi invited me on her Podcast, Earthworms on Tuesday and we talked quite a bit about them as well as the St. Croix sheep and the other Slow Food crops on the Farm. The broadcast will air in a few weeks. Billy is healing nicely but sitting on him to keep him from walking is taking up too much of the time that I don't have, while caring for him and all of the farm stuff. 

More Market news;I found out yesterday that I will have the same space as last year but it will be smaller as they are adding more vendors to the Market this year. Hopefully they will move Biver back into the Square also. So we have a lot of lamb to bring but the chops were all bought at the Drop last week. We do have 3 kinds of steak, the neck roasts and a small leg as well as various other pieces. you should really try the steaks, much cheaper than Chops but still delicious and versatile. 

That's it for now, we'll see you Saturday and hopefully you need some eggs. 

See you Saturday. 

TTFN, 

Sam and Billy(home but not busy, instead-healing)


Friday, December 4, 2020

December 5th Market

Tower Grove Market- December 5th, 9AM-12PM
 Market List; Missouri Pecans, Whole Cayuga Ducks, Grass Fed Lamb, Tomatoes, Salad Mix, Kale Bunches, Chard and Garlic

It's a funny thing when you start equating selling food to customers versus eating food that you grow. Ask any farmer and they will tell you that the first, best and often only things we grow go to our customers first and the leftovers, seconds and sometimes none, comes to us only after you have chosen. For instance, people will say; "are your radishes really spicy?" answer, "I don't know, I had exactly enough for 7 bunches so I didn't get to taste them". Biver Farms grows way too many tomatoes so we trade them tomatoes for Salsa and eat their seconds so I can sell mine to you. Occasionally I can eat mine if they have a bad spot, a split or worm hole but the best of my better tasting tomatoes are on the table at the market. Eggs you say? Well we eat the ones with cracks or the tiny ones or we don't get to eat eggs. You get excited if there is a gap between markets and you can eat a perfect tomato or break a perfectly good egg in a pan but you will turn that egg or tomato over in your hand while feeling guilty about a customer(and usually I see specific faces in my head)not getting the best of your labors. The day after the last official summer Market, both myself and Hart Beet Farm posted on Instagram about eating our good tomatoes for the first time in the season. This week we will be bringing tomatoes and salsa from the last of these for the season. We made it through the 20 degree night on Sunday but Monday's 18 for 5 hours tolled the final death knell on tomatoes and peppers in the high tunnel,  We still have greens and are saving the Redbore Kale for the last market along with the Carrots and Herbs. The Kohlrabi was almost big enough but not quite. You would think with all these killing freezes, that the bugs would slow down but in the high tunnel, Cabbage loopers, White flies and mealy worms abound. 

We will have a lot of eggs. The last 3 years, we have bought 3 Rivers yearling hens from them. Friday we went to Elsah and brought back 34 more. They are in an adjustment period but we do have more eggs than usual. 

Don't forget, there are still Roasting and Soup ducks left to order and we are bringing 4 extras tomorrow. 

We will not be bringing drinks as it's going to be pretty cold and we only are going until Noon. See you there. 

God's blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Bill

Thursday, November 19, 2020

We will be at the U City Market this Saturday 6655 Delmar Avenue

Market List- Grass Fed Lamb, Red Arrow Radishes, Zesty Salad Mix, Green Onions, Carrots, Dill, Tomatoes, Kale Bunches and Non GMO Pasture raised Chicken Eggs - I understand that "Free Range" is not PC anymore. "They" have ruined it. 

We will have a few Heirloom Ducks available for purchase. I pickled some beets this week and made 3 kinds of salsa. We're still picking some tomatoes in the high tunnel. I do not think that Brussels Sprouts will be ready for a couple more weeks. I really tried folks to have them for Thanksgiving but I fought the Harlequin Bugs until October before I finally got ahead of them. Now we have little ones but they are not quite big enough. Hopefully the Kohlrabi will be ready by then too. 

So to recap, U City Market this weekend, (I understand that I will be not be in the covered part of the Market)Tower Grove on the 5th and the 19th. We'll see you Saturday at U City. 

God's Blessings on you and yours, 

TTFN, 

Sam and Bill -who will probably be with me at the Market.